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Trammell is asking Land Use Attorney Scott Shirley to work with David Theriaque, who is representing Holiday Isle on proposed language changes.

Shirlely said he will work with staff, Theriaque and others to see if they can come to a stake-holder consensus about language moving forward.

For his part, Theriaque says one way to move the ball is to take the information that’s proposed and make “red line” changes, “something we can start throwing darts at.”

“We’d like to move this ball forward,” he said. “I thought the easiest way to move forward is to put the ball on us.”

Pat Blackshear, who represents Coral Reef Club, is up to the podium. She is telling the council that some of these policies will affect other areas.

“We would ask that we be able to work with staff and council so that we can come up with something where we are on the same page,” she said.

Gallander is now telling the room that the city’s website has a section where people can go and enter their email address and be alerted of meeting notices. There has been discussion from some that they didn’t know this meeting was taking place.

It appears that there is no more discussion on the comp plan, so city leaders are now turning their attention to what topic will be discussed at the next workshop.

This will be the Crystal Beach planning area. The date is still up for finalization.

With that said, tonight’s workshop is adjourned.

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Burns is back to the podium, asking about chapter one of the comp plan.

Wood said the clean version is the current version, which is the comp plan 2010.

Councilman Rodney Braden says he likes the workshop setup, as these types of issues take time to work out.

“I would like to have another workshop myself,” he said. “Let’s get together and get this thing done.”

Dixon says there is no need to rush into things, and he would rather listen to this “20 times before rushing into something.”

“I am all about, ‘if we need another meeting,’ let’s set it up,’ ” Dixon said.

For his part, Foreman said there is “very little new information” that they have gotten tonight that they hadn’t already had.

“I understand your concerns…” he said. “I think the idea is that we have a limited amount to get some of these things done and we want to get them done right, but we are confusing our ideas.”

“No more workshops,” Foreman adds.

Wood says “all we are doing is spinning our wheels.” He said there is “nothing new” being brought up tonight, but if there was, he’d be willing to listen to those concerns.

Ed Smith is now at the podium.

“Somehow we got this disparity,” he said. “It just makes common sense to bring this all together.”

Guy Tadlock is back to the podium.

“Let me say on this workshop tonight, we’ve asked several time what we could expect,” he said. “We expected that some of the changes that our attorney, and what we suggested last time would be in there… but tonight it was a little bit of a learning curve for us to figure out what would be expected.”

“Believe you me, we don’t want to sit here and belabor this thing… for us tonight, to say all we did is present the same information, I don’t think that was fair,” Tadlock added. “I will promise you we will do anything and everything we can to work on this.”

 

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“We are not, for the fifth time, part of the traditional Holiday Isle covenant,” he said. “We don’t receive any benefits for being a homeowner, or anything like that.”

“There is another reason their is mixed use there, it’s because the city has invested in multi modal…” he Bennett added.

Blakesly is back to the podium. He is saying, as a homeowner, they decided to buy on Holiday Isle because of the restrictions and covenants that were in place before the city was incorporated.

“Don’t forget the word re-development, re-development will happen in the next five years,” he said.

Marcia Hubert is back to the podium. She is talking about re-development.

Now Dana Matthews is at the podium.

He is telling the council that the issue of structured parking, Holiday Isle could choose to opt out of that requirement if they so desire.

Matthews said that provision was put in to apply to other areas, given that parking is at a premium in some other areas of the city.

Councilwoman Prebble Ramswell asked about the height of the buildings in the mixed use area. Bennett says there are 12-story buildings, 13-story, and 10-story.

Councilman Wood is now asking how many workshops they’ve had on Holiday Isle. This is the only Holiday Isle-specific workshop, Gallander said.

“Right now chapter one is the law… we don’t change chapter one in the workshop, we change chapter one in the council with two votes,” he said. “We’ve got to keep going forward or we are never going to get there.”

“There are a lot of Holiday Isle items that we’ve talked about over and over again… we’ve gotta move on and get it done,” he added.

 

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The Holiday Isle mixed use area represents only a small portion of Holiday Isle, according to a map on the projector.

Councilman Tuffy Dixon is asking how many properties would be eligible for a Tier 3 development, as of today. Gallander said, off his head, it would be the parcel in Holiday Isle mixed use.

“Have we increased the intensity and density…?” Dixon asked.

Gallander said no.

Karen Shelton, from the Holiday Isle Improvement Association, is up to the mic. She is the president of this organization.

Attorney David Theriaque is now to the mic. He is giving the city a summary of the proposed changes the Holiday Isle Improvement Association are requesting.

Bennett is back to the podium. As for the stormwater concerns at the end of the harbor, he’s essentially countering what was said.

He is telling that the Henderson family donated all of the easements to the water management district and the city of Destin to help improve the water quality along Holiday Isle.

“Stormwater should not be an issue… new developments have to over-apply to that,” he said.

 

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Burns represents Destin Sands.

Councilman Wood is asking if Burns was at the previous workshop. He wasn’t. He said he is on the city’s mailing list, but he wasn’t sent a notification about the workshop.

Councilman Jim Foreman is saying that workshops have now become more public hearings than they used to be in the past.

Guy Tadlock is now to the podium.

He says the Holiday Isle Improvement Association has already sent their recommendations to the city for their review.

“Right now, we are kinda stretched to our limits,” he said of the amount of visitors to Holiday Isle.

As for the mixed use area, he is telling the council that putting a large-scale development on the north side of the road, where the undeveloped parcel of land is, could cause some issues with stormwater.

“I’m concerned that right now, we don’t need to build on higher densities right now,” he said.

Tadlock says the intersection of U.S. Hwy. 98 and Gulf Shore Drive had the “highest number of traffic crashes in Destin.” By increasing development, he said it’s not in the best interest of the people along Holiday Isle of the visitors.

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Eileen Stalvey is next to speak. She is telling the council a little more than 10 days ago, they started a Facebook page because they thought the city wasn’t publicizing tonight’s meeting enough.

“We have over 200 members in the 10 days we’ve been going,” she said. “A lot of those concerns are about the future of Destin.”

She is mentioning concerns about Holiday Isle, Norriego Point, a bird sanctuary and others.

“The biggest talk was about parcel B,” she said.

If my memory serves me correctly, parcel B is owned by Peter Bos. She is talking about beach chairs.

Councilman Jim Wood is telling the crowd that this meeting is about the comp plan, not parcel B.

John Burns is the next to speak. He is telling the council that he is the president of a condo association near the only undeveloped lot on Holiday Isle.

“Right now we sit at a kind of difficult situation, with the two westbound lanes converging at the beginning of our entrance,” he said.

He is talking about some of the issues that come along with this, such as having very limited parking spaces.

“The new tier three structure… that now allows for No. 1, increasing the elevation for flood plain, then we get two levels of parking that are not included…” he said. “Now all of a sudden we have a 175-180-foot tower next to our little property.”

“We don’t need more traffic trying to stuff itself on Gulf Shore Drive,” he said of the possible commercial use of the area.

He is saying the proposal is too vague, and asking that the city eliminate the “tier three prospect for that property.”

“We just don’t know what’s coming and we would like some more clarification,” he said.

 

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While some of the changes would be “more work on the developer,” Bennett said they will increase the appeal of the properties.

He is asking to have their mixed use designation unchanged.

George Blakesly is next to the podium. As a Holiday Isle resident, he is telling the council that his views “are shared by everyone of our friends and neighbors.”

“My request is simple and direct, and it is this. I woudl appreciate and all the people I know would appreciate it… if you would set the standards to follow the Holiday Isle PC&Rs,” he said.

He is talking about the increased amount of traffic that would be sure to plague Holiday Isle if Tier 3 projects were built.

Not only would these developments bring traffic, but they would bring a July 4th atmosphere year-round, as well as trash and other unwanted activities.

The main said there is currently no stormwater system on Holiday Isle, so this would just get worse.

“I believe that most of the people that come here and live here is because of our beautiful natural resources,” he said, adding that over development would only further impact the reason why people come to Destin.

 

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City Manager Maryann Ustick is giving a brief background on how the city got to this point.

The point of this workshop is to talk about the goals and policies along the Holiday Isle planning area, she said.

Community Development Director Ken Gallander is now telling the council that the city wants to gain “further input” from those along Holiday Isle.

Topics are to include: Height, density, intensity of developments; structured parking incentives; open space standards; ‘ancillary space;’ proposed wording choices; and economic impacts.

“Generally speaking, as we move forward we’ll further garner public input,” Gallander said.

Mayor Pro-Tem Sandy Trammell, who is sitting in for Mayor Mel Ponder, is turning this meeting over to the crowd.

First up is Marcia Hubbart, she is telling the council that she is part of Coral Reef Club. She is just hear to listen to “where we are going as a community.”

Steve Bennett is up next. He is a partner in the property owner on a parcel of land along Holiday Isle.

Bennett is saying that “we’ve got basically rights that were attributed back to us in the 2010 comp plan.” He said the only change that would affect his property in the Holiday Isle Mixed Use area is a part that has been downgraded when it relates to the tiering system.

“We are not part of the boundaries that have been subjected over the years… to the Holiday Isle boundaries,” he said. “We basically want to retain our rights.”

“These comp plans are long-term plans… they take decades,” Bennett added. “What’s built on Holiday Isle mixed use right now, would be tier 3 by today’s standards.”

 

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Tonight’s workshop will focus on the proposed chapter one of the city’s comprehensive plan, which mainly deals with future land use.

Part of the discussion will more than likely be about the allowable intensities and densities on Holiday Isle.

The meeting is now underway.

Finance Manager Bragg Farmer is telling the council that the previously scheduled budget hearing for Sept. 2 will now be held Sept.3 at 6 p.m. in the City Hall Annex.

We now turn to the actual comprehensive plan.